tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post5382509851194776971..comments2023-08-10T22:17:22.135-07:00Comments on Igregious: GMail is Breaking EmailGreg Fawcetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16659789053200729994noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-41870619408388914892023-08-10T22:17:22.135-07:002023-08-10T22:17:22.135-07:00You seem to be hosting your INDEPENDENT project on...You seem to be hosting your INDEPENDENT project on a shared server and it makes 0 sense that you're complaining about this. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-51484715764908820392023-06-29T16:42:05.377-07:002023-06-29T16:42:05.377-07:00I read this in Hozier's voice.I read this in Hozier's voice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-79900342505805367792023-06-29T13:09:47.018-07:002023-06-29T13:09:47.018-07:00We've seen this too recently. No change in our...We've seen this too recently. No change in our sending rate but messages randomly got temporarily bounced.<br /><br />https://blog.feedmail.org/2023/05/deliver-delays-to-gmail.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-31362457930497853752023-06-29T09:50:11.840-07:002023-06-29T09:50:11.840-07:00Same experience here. Years ago I used to run the...Same experience here. Years ago I used to run the web and email for my tiny domain off my personal computer and things were great for a long time. Very low traffic, just a few email accounts and a small book club listserv. Then Cox started blocking ports on my residential connection, forcing me to either pay for a business connection or move to a hosting provider.<br /><br />I moved to a shared hosting provider and all was good for web, but email was still a frequent hassle due to the issues in your article. Hotmail addresses were the worst for me despite not being on any spam lists.<br /><br />I ended up changing hosting providers *again* and using a third party for the listserv and things finally seemed to have calmed down and most of the time people don't get the emails they find them in their spam folders.<br /><br />It still drives me crazy when I hear "so and so says they didn't get the email" because it has become such an absolute nightmare to troubleshoot and deal with these big companies who have no humans you can contact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-59613290798334393442023-06-29T05:23:28.787-07:002023-06-29T05:23:28.787-07:00I have seen that with the Microsoft domains on a s...I have seen that with the Microsoft domains on a server I maintained for some years (but stopped doing so at the end of last year). The information I got was: Yes, Microsoft does block that whole provider at will, just because they can. That virtual server was hosted with NetCup (Germany). The mail server I had configured on that server had never sent spam before.<br /><br />On my own mail server (hosting: dedicated server, Hetzner, also Germany) I never had that kind of problems, so it seems Microsoft „likes“ Hetzner well enough to not just block emails from their customer's servers.<br /><br />Never had trouble with GMail, though. At least … not yet.Aurinhttps://atari-frosch.de/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-59373615090660496832023-06-29T05:02:25.687-07:002023-06-29T05:02:25.687-07:00I don't give the benefit of the doubt to Googl...I don't give the benefit of the doubt to Google anymore. It has been proven already that they are willing to prey on open standardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-29187249530967752682023-06-29T04:59:22.982-07:002023-06-29T04:59:22.982-07:00This is 100% by design, there are other examples o...This is 100% by design, there are other examples of this behaviour from Google, see the case of xmppAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-30369273890909206612023-06-28T22:35:51.654-07:002023-06-28T22:35:51.654-07:00Hi there... I have a similar issue with Microsoft:...Hi there... I have a similar issue with Microsoft: every few months emails to hotmail, outlook and such sent by my properly configured mail server get being rejected due to "possible spam", "rate limit" or whatever, and I always fill out an online form, disucss things by email with some MS support staff, and get whitelisted again a few days later, not for good though, for a few months again. This is so ridicolous!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-26413846999383100402023-06-28T21:39:41.824-07:002023-06-28T21:39:41.824-07:00Did you ever get any luck with those forms https:/...Did you ever get any luck with those forms https://support.google.com/mail/contact/gmail_bulk_sender_escalation?rd=2&visit_id=638236101332243775-606097502<br /><br />I never get anything back.snowonehttps://fixate.socialnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-15568599844838690772023-06-28T08:44:50.199-07:002023-06-28T08:44:50.199-07:00Everything you said is right, but your mailers are...Everything you said is right, but your mailers are on a shared hosting network. Those server for sure do not spam, but the IP or hell, the AS, may exist in some Google naughty list.<br />I'm dreaming of antitrust busting on this Microsoft-Google-Amazon racket and a DANS-like verification to allow unfiltered mail transit.Sapùtohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04627654496631818704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-48254874233887723842023-06-28T07:51:48.238-07:002023-06-28T07:51:48.238-07:00You're writing that last section as if that we...You're writing that last section as if that weren't exactly what Google and Microsoft work towards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-73352880988603193762023-06-28T07:30:36.824-07:002023-06-28T07:30:36.824-07:00Found the boot licker!Found the boot licker!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-3865524846575147792023-04-25T15:43:51.836-07:002023-04-25T15:43:51.836-07:00This is interesting, but instead of drawing the co...This is interesting, but instead of drawing the conclusion that google is destroying an open standard by doing so, consider the amount of nefarious sh*t google has to deal with on a regular basis. A 12h delay on a small school email, compared to tools made to deal with bots from all over the world, is almost a miracle. When you’re equipped to deal with the same amount of nefarious traffic, you can still cant make the argument, because they havent changed the standardsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-11251766951315371462023-04-03T00:00:00.227-07:002023-04-03T00:00:00.227-07:00It all reminds me of Embrace Extend Extinguish. Em...It all reminds me of Embrace Extend Extinguish. Emails have been embraced by corporatocracy, and then turned into walled garden.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-47577637519343260382023-03-31T15:01:47.534-07:002023-03-31T15:01:47.534-07:00I'm a System Engineer who has set up email sys...I'm a System Engineer who has set up email systems for many years. These issues are just as you describe, and have been longstanding issues. The decision makers at google have no visibility or feedback mechanisms by design, about the only thing you can do is take google out of the equation, file FTC complaints, and reach out to congressional representatives. Seeing as its a school, I don't see a class action happening. Setup a server you control that has notifications after logging in, and have the parents check and confirm. Free email service has been made unreliable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-73822981207346572442023-03-31T03:41:20.576-07:002023-03-31T03:41:20.576-07:00Take them to court...Take them to court...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-19405555760500274222023-03-31T03:06:03.159-07:002023-03-31T03:06:03.159-07:00If you're EU resident please consider pursuing...If you're EU resident please consider pursuing another Google fine for monopoly behaviour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-92083808013613693352023-03-31T02:07:37.393-07:002023-03-31T02:07:37.393-07:00The saddest aspect of this situation is that the m...The saddest aspect of this situation is that the malicious behavior is not a targeted attack on independent mail servers, but rather a result of the ignorance and carelessness of the employees involved. This lack of knowledge and thoughtlessness is a direct consequence of belonging to an enormous organization with abundant resources and numerous clients. Regrettably, this issue seems nearly insurmountable unless there will be a way to run a free email service provider with an exceptional user interface.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-8002253798901682282023-03-31T01:54:28.077-07:002023-03-31T01:54:28.077-07:00At least until web servers start refusing creating...At least until web servers start refusing creating an account from all 3 MMP (mafia mail provider), this isn't going to change. Keep all the evidences that they acted in an unethical, not respecting standard and adding an obvious commercial burden on your standard email service, so when they'll fight back, you are covered.<br /><br />The message on your sign up page could be "[ ] I understand that Google GMail is unreliable with unexplained 12H offset for mail delivery. And I still want to use that rubbish email service to sign up. YOURSERVICE can not be claimed for any damage due to a third party service not respecting email's delivery standard." <br /><br />I'm pretty sure that, as soon as theses messages contaminate the internet, Gmail will change its policy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22677069511884100.post-5929365498629302342023-03-30T18:57:45.930-07:002023-03-30T18:57:45.930-07:00Well.... welcome to the club. I have been setup in...Well.... welcome to the club. I have been setup independent email server for people for the last 10 years and making EVERYTHING you mention to be out of the spam jail but Google will ALWAYS put message in the spam folder for no reason. Microsoft do the same btw. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com